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Gordon Goldie Posted - 24 Feb 2012 : 12:08:19
The recent request for the Couriers trophy got me thinking about memorial trophies in general....

I've seen write ups about Alex Hendry and Jimmy Brinkins (GWCC Campsies), I knew the great Jimmy Train, I vaguely knew d1ck Londragon, but there are dozens of other memorial trophies out there where the stories of the people involved rarely get mentioned?

Would it be worthwhile / interesting / readable to post the stories about those involved up here? If enough interest, perhaps a "Memorials" section could be added next to the obituaries on the forum front page?

What does everyone else think, and what do you have in the way of stories aboyt those remembered on silverware?
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snoeasy Posted - 12 Aug 2013 : 19:22:50
My first recollection of Billy and his brother Ian was at the Clune RR which was traditionally the first RR of the year. It was one of these spring days when the sky was clear and it was freezing cold . Everyone in the bunch had extra clothing on because of the cold but Billy was there as if it was a summers day shorts and a short sleeve jersey, I was really impressed. Over the years it was obvious he was a class rider. In our later years Billy was always there to nip past me on the line in the vets Road races, sadly missed.
harrytheplumber Posted - 12 Aug 2013 : 16:31:22
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[i]Origi cheers ,as you may know they originally came from the old village,later moving to greenfaulds cr which eventually became south carbrain.cumbernauld,billy is sadly missed by all,more so the chryston and falkirk clubs. posted by baron[/i]
[br]Cheers Harry, I did know Billy, when I lived inCumbernauld, I remember it was quite a shock to hear he died.

baron Posted - 12 Aug 2013 : 15:49:10
Cheers Harry, I did know Billy, when I lived inCumbernauld, I remember it was quite a shock to hear he died.
harrytheplumber Posted - 12 Aug 2013 : 07:57:49
hi,baron,billy warnock was the electrician who with brorther jim the eldest brother built a house in fort william,about 88/98 it was a large house and took some time,it was always a project that would be sold.jim was a plumber and ian from condorrat was a plumber/pipefitter.jim still lives in fort william.at one point in time they had two sisters in south africa and billy spent a lot of time there travelling between the two,one in johanesburg and one in durban,in the past billy spent years at a time in south africa and had many a tale to tell of his adventures there,and also from the uk.
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[i]Originally posted by baron[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by owenp[/i]
[br]Just came across this topic.

I did some looking into Billy Warnock, who has a memorial race that I took part in a few times.

http://www.owenphilipson.com/blog/2011/07/20/who-was-billy-warnock/

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my blog



I seem to have mixed up my Warnocks, I thought it was his brother Iain, who had the house in Fort william and was an Electrician. So in that case which of them was it lived in South Africa, I always remember him saying to me, he was just staying in Scotland until his mother passed.

megnbert Posted - 11 Aug 2013 : 22:15:24
Jim Hay and Jim Robinson are real "blasts from the past". Aunts Jean and Mima were close friends of Mum's. It would be good to hear how you and your families are doing. My e-mail address is megnbert@supanet.com. Bill will be interested to hear of our contact. Thanks. Margaret

margaret
nmacleod Posted - 10 Aug 2013 : 23:12:11
Hi Gordon
I won the Gordon jack trophy In 1986 on my own by over a minute up on Bobby Melrose, Liam "the brother" Kizeper and Kenny Clark. David Whitehall won the bunch sprint, Savage windy day.
I can also remember it was run 1982.
I got a small trophy, but can remember being given a big one to keep for the year!


Neil Macleod


There is only one constant in life and that is change.
oldie Posted - 10 Aug 2013 : 18:20:06
Hi Margaret,

I've just caught up with this thread. As Jim Hay mentioned, your Mum, 'Aunt Mattie' to us, was a family friend and a frequent visitor to our house until her later years. Your Dad was someone I knew better from his journalism although I can still visualise him.

You may be interested to know that the Sam Robinson Memorial Road Race is still going strong. This year's edition, on Sunday 8th September, will be the 39th year it has been run.

Jim Robinson
JBH Posted - 10 Aug 2013 : 16:19:05
Hi Margaret, I remember you and your brother Billy from Garrowhill. My parents & Sam Robinson's family were friends of your folks at that time. Regarding your dad Tom, I along with other West of Scotland cyclists, looked forward to his reviews of the next day's races in the Saturday evening newspapers. He was a popular sports journalist in those days.
I have a few photos from Glasgow cycling functions from the late 1940s, a number of which include your dad. I received these earlier this year I in a CD of old cycling photos from pre WW2 until early 50s. I believe the original material was from the late Bob Murray of the Glasgow Eastern C.C. Let me know if these are of interest and I can email them. Regards, Jim Hay.
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[i]Originally posted by megnbert[/i]
[br]Really interested in the comments about my dad Tom Leslie. My brother and I were very young when he died in 1952 and I would be delighted to hear any memories of Dad who loved cycling. I noticed a comment about Sam Robinson who, I think, was a friend also living in Garrowhill. If I'm right Sam died as the result of a road accident at least 30 years ago.

Margaret Mac

margaret

Fergus Posted - 10 Aug 2013 : 03:37:01
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Gordon Goldie[/i]
[br]I have some pics from the Gordon Jack race in 1986 - with the trophy being presented by Mr Gordon Jack, so not a memorial at that stage. Don't ever recall the race being run again? Was it a VC Olympia event?



Yes, it was a VC Olympia promotion. I did that race..think was open category or 3rd/junior, route near Alloa,
baron Posted - 09 Aug 2013 : 22:48:35
quote:
[i]Originally posted by owenp[/i]
[br]Just came across this topic.

I did some looking into Billy Warnock, who has a memorial race that I took part in a few times.

http://www.owenphilipson.com/blog/2011/07/20/who-was-billy-warnock/

--
my blog



I seem to have mixed up my Warnocks, I thought it was his brother Iain, who had the house in Fort william and was an Electrician. So in that case which of them was it lived in South Africa, I always remember him saying to me, he was just staying in Scotland until his mother passed.
mysterae Posted - 09 Aug 2013 : 16:01:42
quote:
[i]Originally posted by mysterae[/i]
[br]
Thanks for that info Jim.I was awarded Tom's memorial at the St Chris CC 21st dinner in 1956 so his death must have been earlier than the early 60's. I knew Tom was a journalist as I saw his full page news report of the Glasgow/Dunoon in the late 40's.when it was part of the Cowal Gathering, Thanks again , see you at the Sam Robinson.



Getting my facts wrong. The Tom Leslie Award. This was presented to me at the Glasgow Suburban C.C dinner at the Esquire House. St Chris CC held an Olimpic trial International R.R for their 21st birthday round the Trossachs also that year,organised by Jackie Conner. The Scottish team was Tom Blakely, Archie McPherson,Arthur Devenish,and myself

I see the Gala CC had a Memorial to Jimmy Rae on the 7/8/13 nice of them but it not for me, thanks very much, hope everyone had a good day .
The other Jimmy Rae (Mysterae).
challenger Posted - 09 Aug 2013 : 14:43:08
HI Gordon i was a schoolboy when i won the gordon jack trophie.I can remember it was the 1st year the event was run that i won it but cant remember the year.I was thinking it was the clackmanning road club that ran it might be wrong.

steven jervis
Marty Posted - 09 Aug 2013 : 14:22:16
From the muddy side of the sport:
Alistair Lees
Stephen Lyle



p.s. good thread.

Gordon Goldie Posted - 09 Aug 2013 : 10:43:24
I have some pics from the Gordon Jack race in 1986 - with the trophy being presented by Mr Gordon Jack, so not a memorial at that stage. Don't ever recall the race being run again? Was it a VC Olympia event?
challenger Posted - 09 Aug 2013 : 10:01:10
Hi just remembered iirc i had the Tam Robertson memorial trophie one year.Sure it was the Glasgow united that ran the event.Also was the 1st winner of the gordan jack trophie can't remember what happened to that event in alloa area.New Tom rebertson junior but never found out that much about his dad.
megnbert Posted - 08 Aug 2013 : 20:52:24
Really interested in the comments about my dad Tom Leslie. My brother and I were very young when he died in 1952 and I would be delighted to hear any memories of Dad who loved cycling. I noticed a comment about Sam Robinson who, I think, was a friend also living in Garrowhill. If I'm right Sam died as the result of a road accident at least 30 years ago.

Margaret Mac

margaret
owenp Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 21:02:18
Just came across this topic.

I did some looking into Billy Warnock, who has a memorial race that I took part in a few times.

http://www.owenphilipson.com/blog/2011/07/20/who-was-billy-warnock/

--
my blog
DianneR Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 22:56:23
Jimmy

I wouldn't be surprised if we still have a copy of the St Chris Dinner from 1956! I'll look into it.

Dianne (Rafferty) Rankin
mysterae Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 22:29:56

Thanks for that info Jim.I was awarded Tom's memorial at the St Chris CC 21st dinner in 1956 so his death must have been earlier than the early 60's. I knew Tom was a journalist as I saw his full page news report of the Glasgow/Dunoon in the late 40's.when it was part of the Cowal Gathering, Thanks again , see you at the Sam Robinson.
JBH Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 21:02:25
quote:
[i]Originally posted by mysterae[/i]
[br]Gordon Watson, Bellisle. Big Gordon had a memorial shield which was awarded to the first Scottish rider in the Tour of LochTay a Peter Fryer Trophy event, which I organised for a number of years.
also, the annual TOM LESLIE Memorial Award, which was awarded to the Scot who had done the most to enhance Scottish Cycling.


Jimmy,
I thought it might be of interest, certainly would be to me, if a brief resume of the people attached to the trophies was available. Below is info on Tom Leslie, Sports Journalist:

TOM LESLIE was a club cyclist, I believe Douglas C.C., who earned his living as a freelance sports journalist reporting on a variety of activities from sports meetings, horse, greyhound racing, tennis, and badminton to bike racing. Bike results were in the Record and other Glasgow newspapers on a Monday morning with various mid -week articles, and a Saturday night (pink edition) papers giving a writeup on Sunday�s events. My folks were friends with Tom Leslie and his wife. All lived locally in Baillieston. He had a quiet manner, always interested in cycling chat, and seemed to spend a large part of his life on his motorbike getting round his patch. Cycling news was well reported by Tom and he was well regarded by all who knew him.
I�m not certain of the precise circumstances surrounding his fatal accident at the bend at Mount Vernon railway bridge around early 1960s. His motorbike struck a lampstandard at the edge of the road, pre compulsory crash hats. Tom was returning from Mount Vernon dog track to report the results for his papers.
Needless to say, some months later, this lampstandard was moved to the inner edge of the pavement.
JBH
grantus Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 20:13:18
and a very enjoyable event it is too. possibly the best post race grub???

p.s. does anyone know what the spider monkey job was? i couldnt find anything online.
DianneR Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 18:40:52
I couldn't let this thread go without commenting on my own dad, Willie Rafferty. He has a Memorial Race and Trophy still on the go. The Christies also have a Memorial Trophy for his brother The Pat Rafferty Memorial. I'm not sure if this is still on the go, but would like to think it is. Dad joined the Christies on leaving the air force in 1948 and remained so throughout the good times and bad times until his death in 1999.

Dianne (Rafferty) Rankin
mysterae Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 17:05:44
Gordon Watson, Bellisle. Big Gordon had a memorial shield which was awarded to the first Scottish rider in the Tour of LochTay a Peter Fryer Trophy event, which I organised for a number of years.
also, the annual TOM LESLIE Memorial Award, which was awarded to the Scot who had done the most to enhance Scottish Cycling.
hibbingscot Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 15:21:46
Mhairi

Please pass on my best wishes to your dad. Archie, I'm happy to say is as tough as they come. I have many fond memories of him which are too many to mention although there is one that springs to mind. It was a Fife 50 TT at least 10 years ago,I punctured near the turn at Yetts' and Archie who was driving the course as his son Alistair was riding stopped to pick me up. On the homeward leg Archie stopped every 2 or 3 miles to shout "encouragement" at Alistair. Well it would have taken several bars of carbolic soap to wash out Archie's mouth, so blue was the language!!
Back in 2006 just before we left for the States, my wife Betty and I went to visit him in hospital, I think it was the Western General in Edinburgh. It was soon after his heart surgery and of course the first thing he did was rip open his jammy top to show off his stiches,,,priceless!
Anyway, all the best Archie, and very best wishes from Betty and I in the USA.
Dave Barnes

Dave Barnes
The Feeder Posted - 29 Feb 2012 : 13:50:17
Hi JJ - No offence taken and you know my dad he wouldn't take any either. If the doctors predictions had been correct Archie should have been dead a long time ago, but as I said he is very stubborn and he actively competed until he was 80/81 and was on his bike until he was 85 not bad for someone who was told he would never walk again at the age of 30

Mhairi

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