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alistair109 Posted - 04 Apr 2012 : 22:08:33
Hi,

Musselburgh Roads CC British Eagle Road Race on 28th April.

The race is approved for 80 riders now.

But I still have more entries than places. The field will be chosen on merit. I will accept entries up to the closing date on a BC or SC entry form - but include as much detail of your recent racing activities as sensibly fits on the form.

If you have already entered and didn't put much in the form now is your chance to sort that - send an update with the details.....

I will only post start sheets if you supplied a stamped addressed envelope. If you supplied an email address I'll email a copy and I will post it on here.

For those who do not get a ride I will let you know by email as soon as possible after closing.

Thanks to all those who have entered.

Alistair
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andyr Posted - 25 Apr 2012 : 08:28:33
quote:
[i]Originally posted by doris[/i]
[br]Does anyone know if there is a nice cafe or pub near East Saltoun?


Not quite sure if there is one open in East Saltoun itself or not - I dont't think so, I think the Economic (Googled for it) is just a general store / P.O., so Pencaitland, a couple of miles down the road would be the nearest for a pub. Further East you've got Haddington and then there's Tranent, Gifford and Ormiston not too far away.
rearviewmirror Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 21:46:03
quote:
[i]Originally posted by harrytheplumber[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by steven robertson[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by rearviewmirror[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by steven robertson[/i]
[br]having to pick who is in and who is out is not easy .if you get 140 entrys how do you pick?first in?who is the best?your mates ?we all want to ride but it comes down to demand at the mo .there is an argument bout clubs who put on races .or the other hand the strongest lads (on paper)so the lads puting on the race are always gona get **** from some one.personaly i would have the lads in first rather than some 40 year old has been the future is now

you do have a point, maybe the Falkirk should just put a race on for vets. and juniors


if the shoe fits.but the fawkirk would not do this .a grate club and you my man are are trying to preach to the converted.**** the vets


i dont know if this was a sarcastic comment about vet and juniors,excuse my sense of humour rvm..but the idea of clubs promoting vets and juniors is a great idea,when i was a junior in 76/77 there were several events in this catagory,vets juniur and women..this is a catagory that should be used again with preference going to juniors male and female first.

i wasn't being sarcastic htp just thought it would be good there's been a few guys think it would be a good idea.you could race it now iam being sarcastic
andyr Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 10:16:50
The lack of road races is being criticised and then the organisers of the same are haranged for not complying to the varying desires of riders and teams.
I don't know exactly how each and every rider was selected to be placed on this start list + reserve list but I know that not all riders include all relevant details of points and race performances when sending their entry in and it may well be that some riders that might have deserved an entry did not get in due to a lack of accompanying information. the organiser only has the info that they are sent to go on - they shouldn't have to go searching around (I certainly would not spend my time doing this) for details of how riders have performance in their recent races.
With the race being so oversubscriber there are bound to be disappointed riders unfortunately.
steven robertson Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 09:08:45
its prob more my sarcastic sense of humour that is at fault .i am a vet this year it was more a dig at myself.
harrytheplumber Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 07:59:03
quote:
[i]Originally posted by steven robertson[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by rearviewmirror[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by steven robertson[/i]
[br]having to pick who is in and who is out is not easy .if you get 140 entrys how do you pick?first in?who is the best?your mates ?we all want to ride but it comes down to demand at the mo .there is an argument bout clubs who put on races .or the other hand the strongest lads (on paper)so the lads puting on the race are always gona get **** from some one.personaly i would have the lads in first rather than some 40 year old has been the future is now

you do have a point, maybe the Falkirk should just put a race on for vets. and juniors


if the shoe fits.but the fawkirk would not do this .a grate club and you my man are are trying to preach to the converted.**** the vets


i dont know if this was a sarcastic comment about vet and juniors,excuse my sense of humour rvm..but the idea of clubs promoting vets and juniors is a great idea,when i was a junior in 76/77 there were several events in this catagory,vets juniur and women..this is a catagory that should be used again with preference going to juniors male and female first.
isobel smith Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 22:52:24
I'm going to stick my tuppence worth in here again.
SC rules state that events have closing dates and fields should not be made up prior to this. First Come, First served is not a rule .
Also small clubs can easily put on event.GCRT can.
doris Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 22:29:59
Does anyone know if there is a nice cafe or pub near East Saltoun?
harrytheplumber Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 20:56:14
QUESTION .it would be awkward for racing teams to team up and promote events but can anyone tell me?do racing teams and there sponsors have a duty like other clubs to help promote and marshal there centre events?,i can well recal over the last20+ years riding and spectating at central scotland rr and early morning time trials always seeing the stalwarts of the falkirk bc being attendance in all weather and remote places marshaling for the centre.never a club to refrain from a duty required or never shy with promoting top class events it looks like the promoters of the eagle trophy need to have a better policy for selecting riders for races.this is a blatent slur against a very good and sincere club,i think 4 riders max in an oversubscribed event is more than plenty.maybe some older riders can help me here ,was it not the norm in the 50s to have an overflow event in heavily oversubscribed events.also the case of entry first come first served rule is no good as this can amount to entries being sent far too early.
andywoo Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 19:32:00
quote:
[i]Originally posted by grantus[/i]
[br]They already are - see Jambo's idea for a race on the other RR topic.

Time to let this end on a positive?



yeah noticed that, interesting to see who volunteers to help.
grantus Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 18:58:42
They already are - see Jambo's idea for a race on the other RR topic.

Time to let this end on a positive?
rearviewmirror Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 18:11:39
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Paul H[/i]
[br]just for info. There are not many in GJS, one of them was a driver at the Ivy Auld Yins RR last year and again has already offered his services this year. There are quite a few clubs who already run races that help and support the Ivy RR and the Trossachs TT. Also quite a few that don't but still help.

Sorry don't have a list, but their support is welcome and appreciated.

"Up the Ivy"

point taken they r a small team but there is nothing stopping small teams joining forces and putting on a race. over the winter clubs should think about putting their heads together more races are needed
rearviewmirror Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 17:59:06
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Paul H[/i]
[br]just for info. There are not many in GJS, one of them was a driver at the Ivy Auld Yins RR last year and again has already offered his services this year. There are quite a few clubs who already run races that help and support the Ivy RR and the Trossachs TT. Also quite a few that don't but still help.

Sorry don't have a list, but their support is welcome and appreciated.

"Up the Ivy"

rearviewmirror Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 17:55:53
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Paul H[/i]
[br]just for info. There are not many in GJS, one of them was a driver at the Ivy Auld Yins RR last year and again has already offered his services this year. There are quite a few clubs who already run races that help and support the Ivy RR and the Trossachs TT. Also quite a few that don't but still help.

Sorry don't have a list, but their support is welcome and appreciated.

"Up the Ivy"

steven robertson Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 17:24:53
for sale one spoon .yes it has been usedyes sorry went a wee bit daft over the last 2 days.nice to show some passion now and again
MCoopland Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 17:14:56
quote:
[i]Originally posted by andywoo[/i]
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by MCoopland[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by andywoo[/i]
[br]Well said franco , A change to attitudes and responsibilities needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

.

Well said? eh?

The GJS is a club where every single member road races, but they do not promote a road race. That is where the problem is.

The same is true with clubs like Dooleys. Yes they promote time trails, but week in week out their riders ride road races. As far as I know there is no shortage of TTs. I read earlier in this topic that they might be doing some crits this year. great, that would be a start.

The SC can't fix this. Only the clubs & their members can fix this. Every club that is road racing should be promoting road races. It's not rocket science.



Martin Coopland

www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!




are you saying you disagree with what franco was saying
or just that it happened to be a member of gjs who made the comments
martin?, also a bit difficult to run a race with only 8? members?



what I am saying is: that if you want to ride road races, you should put yourself in a position where you can help in some way at the promotion of road races. so if your club is full of guys road racing, those guys should be doing someting to help with a promotion of a road race. If you feel your club doesn't have enough members to put on your own race then find help from another club.

I am saying that the GJS should be putting on RRs. OK they are a new club and it takes time to get going. But next year will be their third year........ Hope fully they will get there and put to shame those clubs who don't bother.

There is no need to name names. You know if you are road racing but putting nothing back. Plus just because your club's sponsor is generous with prizes and the like, that doesn't mean you have done your share.

as for having found my spoon stevie, it seems you have got a shiney new one of your own. I just finished putting the bar tape on a new bike today, so I might have to put the spoon away and start cycling instead.

Martin Coopland

www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!

franco porco Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 17:03:20
getting a wee bit tit for tat guys! Martin has a fair point as do most of the comments on this thread.
1. we all want to race
2. we all want more races
3. we all want more racing for different abilities.
We are the only ones who can solve this problem.why not copy the North of England league! our the South west scotland League did a few of ther races last year. or way not get every name of people who hold a racing licence and put the names in a league everyone has to help out at a race you are asked maybe 2 races per year which you must help and have 2 strikes and your out rule ie no racing. sorted
GJS racing has 8 guys we can`t do a road race on our own we would need help if this is forth coming then we would be up for it. Much the same format as Stevie Robertson idea could even start a league 2 every month best 6 count of say 8 events every one has to miss 2 because they will be marshalling. simpiles
andywoo Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 15:54:07
quote:
[i]Originally posted by MCoopland[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by andywoo[/i]
[br]Well said franco , A change to attitudes and responsibilities needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

.

Well said? eh?

The GJS is a club where every single member road races, but they do not promote a road race. That is where the problem is.

The same is true with clubs like Dooleys. Yes they promote time trails, but week in week out their riders ride road races. As far as I know there is no shortage of TTs. I read earlier in this topic that they might be doing some crits this year. great, that would be a start.

The SC can't fix this. Only the clubs & their members can fix this. Every club that is road racing should be promoting road races. It's not rocket science.



Martin Coopland

www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!




are you saying you disagree with what franco was saying
or just that it happened to be a member of gjs who made the comments
martin?, also a bit difficult to run a race with only 8? members?
Paul H Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 13:30:34
just for info. There are not many in GJS, one of them was a driver at the Ivy Auld Yins RR last year and again has already offered his services this year. There are quite a few clubs who already run races that help and support the Ivy RR and the Trossachs TT. Also quite a few that don't but still help.

Sorry don't have a list, but their support is welcome and appreciated.

"Up the Ivy"
steven robertson Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 11:34:04
found the spoon again martin.
MCoopland Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 11:26:12
quote:
[i]Originally posted by andywoo[/i]
[br]Well said franco , A change to attitudes and responsibilities needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

.

Well said? eh?

The GJS is a club where every single member road races, but they do not promote a road race. That is where the problem is.

The same is true with clubs like Dooleys. Yes they promote time trails, but week in week out their riders ride road races. As far as I know there is no shortage of TTs. I read earlier in this topic that they might be doing some crits this year. great, that would be a start.

The SC can't fix this. Only the clubs & their members can fix this. Every club that is road racing should be promoting road races. It's not rocket science.



Martin Coopland

www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!

steven robertson Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 11:03:39
sorry for getting into it last night on this thread .was on the wine.that drunk i did not see my name on the start sheet .still dont think its a good idea to name clubs/teams who you think take and dont give,without looking into the facts.fact is wee all give time to this .if you race you need to give time up to ride the bike in the first place .simple no riders no races.so remember that next time you all get on the high horse about puting on a race.
"its this its that he/she dont put back"
wee all put back in our own way.takes longer to train to race than to put a race on.and i will admit the only reason i put a race on is so all the moaning minnies cant say "but you have never did it .you dont know what its like to run a race"i have been a rider and an organiser and its harder and takes more time to train/race than put one on .for the last 3 years the numbers of people racing has gon up.there are new clubs all over .west lothian,vc glasgow south,glasgow green,pasley velo.thats just the ones off the top of my hairless nut that i can think of.they all put back .supply and demand is all it comes down to no point in pointing uninformed fingers
andywoo Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 08:23:37
Well said franco , A change to attitudes and responsibilities needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
franco porco Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 07:16:14
GJS put on a cross race between Christmas and New Year although a small racing Team. we had to get a lot of help from family and friends including a great hand from Gary C think we need to get this matter sorted out instead of pointing fingers at one and other. it seems to me that the SC have to take charge of this and come up with ideas. Cycle racing and cyclist are on the increase but in scotland it seem we have less races than ever before. James McCallum had a great Idea with the super 6 circuits through towns on sporting courses were has this gone this season. and as for the Fawkirk its a shame these guys are not getting rides the club put a lot back into cycling in scotland as well as racing the club nights on a tuesday and thursday attract large numbers great club.
steven robertson Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 00:24:00
quote:
[i]Originally posted by JamieK[/i]
[br]Right, lights out children, it's well past bed time and you've got school in the morning


im off the moraon the piss mate firt in 3 weeks 3 kl off .how you go today looked hard
JamieK Posted - 23 Apr 2012 : 00:20:07
Right, lights out children, it's well past bed time and you've got school in the morning

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