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bubba
Learner

9 Posts

Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  19:40:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by bubba[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by willie stephen[/i]
[br]Graeme OBree rode a 19.38 i think one year late 1990's to early 2000's at the Fullarton Wheelers xmas 10 mile TT . Cycling weekly noted it as a all time British winter 10 mile tt record.

I was organiser but cannot remember the year, it was just before we started using Drybridge hall as the strip.Time of event was December 19th.

Willie.





I had the Cycling Weekly which had a report from that event. It was a time of 19'49'' i recall as I cannot find the mag. He rode fixed and won by 3 mns. He donated his prize money to Yorkhill hospital. An amazing offseason performance.
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bubba
Learner

9 Posts

Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  19:42:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by willie stephen[/i]
[br]Graeme OBree rode a 19.38 i think one year late 1990's to early 2000's at the Fullarton Wheelers xmas 10 mile TT . Cycling weekly noted it as a all time British winter 10 mile tt record.

I was organiser but cannot remember the year, it was just before we started using Drybridge hall as the strip.Time of event was December 19th.

Willie.

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Gordon Goldie
Speed Limits N/A

1161 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  15:57:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
carlos confirms a nineteen something on Eglinton years ago. Can anyone else provide more info please?
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The Feeder
Crusing Past

344 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  18:38:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My brother has kept a record of every race he has ever taken part in(which is numerous - nearly 1000)and in it he also notes who the winner is. He has several sub 20s for Mark, but only has 1 for Carlos. This was the 19.54, which I mentioned in my earlier post, on the Eglington course in 2002.

Mhairi

Edited by - The Feeder on 06 Sep 2011 18:40:00
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Gordon Goldie
Speed Limits N/A

1161 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  19:24:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've updated the first post in the thread and it looks like we're nearly there - just a couple of dates and events to be filled in - unless of course there are any more names to add?
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Graeme
Speed Limits N/A

1052 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  20:03:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Should the list not include ALL sub 20 rides?

Jason MacIntyre 12/7/07 18:47 Glasgow Wh 10 Westferry
Graeme Obree 1997 19:29 Glasgow Wh 10 Westferry
Jason MacIntyre 8/07 19:32 Fife
Mark Atkinson 19:37 AY4 Eglinton
Jim Gladwell 13/8/97 19:41 Westferry
Arthur Doyle 31/8/11 19:45 Glasgow RC 10 Westferry
Ben Peacock 16/7/11 19.53 Glasgow Wheelers CC 10 Westferry
Carlos Riise 4/5/02 19:54 AY4 Eglinton
Jason MacIntyre 2007 19:58 A77


What about Bubba's times for Mark Atkinson and Willie Stephen's time for Graeme Obree at the Xmas 10?

Graeme Obree 19:38 Xmas 10
Mark Atkinson 19:48 AY4 Eglinton
Mark Atkinson 19:52 Westferry
Mark Atkinson 19:54 Westferry
Mark Atkinson 19:59 Westferry
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Gordon Goldie
Speed Limits N/A

1161 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  20:53:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your list can include anything you like Graeme.

I merely wondered who had beaten 20 minutes in Scotland, and what each rider's fastest time was? Looks like that's now been completed with lots of great help from the chatroom members?

Thanks for everyone's help.

Edited by - Gordon Goldie on 06 Sep 2011 20:54:31
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Steve McGinty
Speed Limits N/A

1156 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  21:03:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm pretty sure the timetrialforum fastest times section has been compiled similarly. ie it's not a RTTC/CTT official site.

I don't know if SC have any intentions to add a records/past/current champions section to their bit of the BC website.

I know Jock Shaw keeps copies of all the above. Seems a shame they're not available online.
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Graeme
Speed Limits N/A

1052 Posts

Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  21:13:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Gordon Goldie[/i]
[br]Your list can include anything you like Graeme.

I merely wondered who had beaten 20 minutes in Scotland, and what each rider's fastest time was? Looks like that's now been completed with lots of great help from the chatroom members?

Thanks for everyone's help.



Fine. I misunderstood thinking you wanted to know all the sub 20 times not just the riders.

Can anybody else verify the Atkinson and Obree times I listed as ????

Hopefully I'll add to that list on Saturday at Georgetown, oops thats only 7.2 miles not 10

Edited by - Graeme on 06 Sep 2011 21:15:16
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Langside
Gaining Speed

154 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  10:45:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone any idea how this equates to power output? I know it is body specific, but do you need >400W for this sort of performance?
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grantus
Speed Limits N/A

1561 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  12:39:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
plus the aerodynamic consideration.

Seem to remember reading somewhere about Graeme Obree's power output compared to Moser's when comparing hour records.

IIRC, Obree had the lowest output by quite a fair bit but his position was so much better therefore he went better.

Could be completely wrong mind you

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largeheadsmallbrain
Speed Merchant

569 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  14:55:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Langside[/i]
[br]Anyone any idea how this equates to power output? I know it is body specific, but do you need >400W for this sort of performance?



True for me.
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Graeme
Speed Limits N/A

1052 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  15:06:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How much greater though?
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Langside
Gaining Speed

154 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  15:58:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jeepers, just shows you whats required physiologically. Not sure I could do 400W for more than 4mins!

Think I'll concentrate on sucking my cheeks in
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largeheadsmallbrain
Speed Merchant

569 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  17:04:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by grantus[/i]
[br]plus the aerodynamic consideration.

Seem to remember reading somewhere about Graeme Obree's power output compared to Moser's when comparing hour records.




I rmember reading that before, but it struck me that it was only Moser for whom power output was known. THe "Obree used less power" seemed to have been extrapolated from an assumption that Obree position has a certain drag coefficient (again, assumed not measured)
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grantus
Speed Limits N/A

1561 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  20:05:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Langside[/i]
[br]Jeepers, just shows you whats required physiologically. Not sure I could do 400W for more than 4mins!

Think I'll concentrate on sucking my cheeks in



Me too - the ones on my ar*e, that is
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ian sharp
Speed Limits N/A

1483 Posts

Posted - 08 Sep 2011 :  21:59:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just to put this one to bed,Jasons' 19 on the A77 was historic,
A) He won the Scottish Championship,wearing his brilliant GB all-white skinsuit.
B) He caught Jim Cusick for 2 minutes---unheard of!
Big Jim said after the shock---"It was an honour to be caught by such a man!"
A few weeks later,Jason put the record on the shelf at West Ferry.
in the Glasgow Wheelers event.
Sadly,that was his last season!
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largeheadsmallbrain
Speed Merchant

569 Posts

Posted - 09 Sep 2011 :  11:09:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Langside[/i]
[br]Jeepers, just shows you whats required physiologically. Not



Absolute Vo2 (L/min) = .0095*Watts + 0.9579

therefore 4.7L /min O2 consumption,
= 63ml/kg/min
= 92%of VO2Max

(Armstrong 30 minute Galibier, 495 watt , would have taken 5.66 L/min. That's 90% of his vo2 max, 6.3L/min. His relative vo2 max is 84 L/kg-min. )
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grantus
Speed Limits N/A

1561 Posts

Posted - 09 Sep 2011 :  11:40:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://kent.academia.edu/LouisPassfield/Papers/527974/Comparing_cycling_world_hour_records_1967-1996_modeling_with_empirical_data


If you scroll right down to the end their is a table with the results of the experiment which compares estimated hour record power outputs.

Gold star to anyone who reads the whole thing up to that point. Extra gold star if you understand it.
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Langside
Gaining Speed

154 Posts

Posted - 09 Sep 2011 :  15:38:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arthur

I dont think I understand this:


Is the formula based on max 5min wattage to calculate max O2 consumption? Or is it calculating O2 consumption at threshold.

There seems to be a bit of working missing in between the Vo2max calculation and % of Vo2 max

Craig

quote:
[i]Originally posted by largeheadsmallbrain[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Langside[/i]
[br]Jeepers, just shows you whats required physiologically. Not



Absolute Vo2 (L/min) = .0095*Watts + 0.9579

therefore 4.7L /min O2 consumption,
= 63ml/kg/min
= 92%of VO2Max

(Armstrong 30 minute Galibier, 495 watt , would have taken 5.66 L/min. That's 90% of his vo2 max, 6.3L/min. His relative vo2 max is 84 L/kg-min. )

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Z00SH
Speed Merchant

843 Posts

Posted - 09 Sep 2011 :  18:03:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by grantus[/i]
[br]http://kent.academia.edu/LouisPassfield/Papers/527974/Comparing_cycling_world_hour_records_1967-1996_modeling_with_empirical_data




Totally unrelated but I went to College with Louis Passfield yonks ago, he road for Dumfries CC and I can remember him winning a 3/4 cat RR up at Stewarton.
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largeheadsmallbrain
Speed Merchant

569 Posts

Posted - 09 Sep 2011 :  18:44:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
calculation expressed as a percentage of measured VO2 max

Absolute VO2 is calculated oxygen uptake for my TT wattage. The constants in the equation are not specific to me, but gets the right ball park figure.
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bigjim
Crusing Past

358 Posts

Posted - 09 Sep 2011 :  20:06:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
am not glad my brains were
supported by my saddle.
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Gordon Goldie
Speed Limits N/A

1161 Posts

Posted - 14 Jun 2012 :  07:55:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Two new members joined the club last night..............

Jason MacIntyre 12/7/07 18:47 Glasgow Wh 10 Westferry
Graeme Obree 1997 19:29 Glasgow Wh 10 Westferry
Mark Atkinson 19:37 AY4 Eglinton
Jim Gladwell 13/8/97 19:41 Westferry
Arthur Doyle 31/8/11 19:45 Glasgow RC 10 Westferry
Iain Grant 13/6/12 19:50 Inverclyde Velo 10 Westferry
Ben Peacock 16/7/11 19.53 Glasgow Wheelers CC 10 Westferry
Carlos Riise 4/5/02 19:54 AY4 Eglinton
Silas Goldsworthy 13/6/12 19:55 Inverclyde Velo 10 Westferry
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grantus
Speed Limits N/A

1561 Posts

Posted - 14 Jun 2012 :  21:10:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
you wait all year for a number 19 then twocome along at the same time!!!
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