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Leigh M
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Posted - 24 Jan 2012 :  18:59:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Braveheart Cycling Fund has named the eight riders and six clubs it will support in 2012, with John Paul, the reigning Junior World and European Champion and 2011 Braveheart Rider of the Year, among those to be supported in Olympic year.

Track sprinter Paul (18) is joined by mountain bikers Kenta Gallagher (19) and Grant Ferguson (18), fellow track riders Callum Skinner (19), Kayleigh Brogan (19) and Charline Joiner (23), and road riders Eileen Roe (22) and Robert Hassan (20).

Of the clubs, WOSCA (Johnstone Jets - Glasgow Riderz), Discovery juniors, Wallace Warriors, ERC Youth and Dynamo Falkirk all receive funding in 2012.

It was one of the most competitive years for funding in the Braveheart Cycling Fund's ten year history, with forty applicants. An initial �20,000 has been shared among the successful individuals and clubs, with a further �5 - �8,000 to be awarded as the season progresses.

The funding is focused on supporting 1. Proven Young Talent; 2. Youth; 3. Overseas Trips.

Among the individual applicants there were many borderline cases, but Brian Smith, the Braveheart Co-Founder, explained that priority has been given to youth. "It was difficult to choose some applicants over others but we decided that the future is our youth, so we decided to prioritise young riders."

treka
Learner

2 Posts

Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  10:31:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Stirling Bike Club- Wallace Warriors would like to thank Braveheart for supporting them in 2012. Our youth section has grown rapidly over the last few years and is set to continue with the support of Braveheart and our expanding group of enthusiastic volunteer coaches

Thanks to all
Rachel Allen
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MCoopland
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1780 Posts

Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  14:30:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks guys once again for your continued support of the Dynamo falkirk.

Please note to all readers, we will have some bikes comming up for loan in the next month or so. So if you or any youth you know of could benefit from the loan (free of charge) of a road bike for year please contact me.

For those who do not know, the Dynamo Falkirk Fund owns and loans out road bikes to youth riders. Loans usually last about year. We have bikes for kids aged between about 10 to 15 years.

Martin Coopland

www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!

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scottCR2
Learner

5 Posts

Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  22:35:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congrats to all 2012 riders!
Good luck with your new team robert.
Nice to see Eileen roe back on braveheart. Didn't she win a race in holland/belgium last year? .
All the best to Charline and Kayleigh on your travels.

All the best to the sprinters, john and callum. And same to grant and kenta.


I do want the best for these guys. But does anyone think it is a strange that braveheart are funding 4 riders at the moment (as young as they may be) who are full time, with salaries, houses paid for and all essential kit and logistics are paid for by british cycling.
I feel the fund has changed over the years.
If you have a look at the dave rayner fund(application and selection criteria. The difference of the circumstances that the funded riders are in compared to the BH ones. �100 can go a long way; or it buys you shiney glasses) you may get an idea of what I mean .

What are your thoughts?

Good to see support at grass routes level too!



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Alan Miller
Administrator

507 Posts

Posted - 26 Jan 2012 :  23:50:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Happy for this discussion, we welcome constructive feedback, however please consider the following points.

The value's offered to the funded riders and clubs have not been disclosed. I can say that the GB funded riders have not received the level of support they previously had since they moved up a funding level within GB - Your point was considered and actioned upon. Clubs have received the biggest uplift in funding with a further �5k - �8K hopefully available later this year for further Club/Team initiatives. In effect 66% of our expected funding in 2012 will not go to the elite funded riders, rather it will go to clubs/teams with "Youth" being the driving force of the awards. I believe that much of the funding to those clubs/teams is too fund race trips abroad.

Losing contact with 4 of our most talented riders, a world champion included, at such a young age was not considered a good move. These riders are the ones who raise the profile of the fund that then helps attract sponsors and those who donate, thereby improving funding levels to other catagories.

The fund has changed over the years - it has had too! The underlying aims are the same - to help the most talented Scottish cyclists reach the highest level possible. When the fund was formed GB was not the superpower it is today in world cycling. Our early aims were to send riders abroad to improve - the traditional way. GB is now one of the, if not thee, dominant forces in world cycling, therefore it is only sensible to work with a winning system. Effectively this means a talented track or road rider doesnt need to leave these shores to move up in world cycling.

Note: There was no Continental Team from Scotland when we started 10 years ago as there is today - Endura. As discussed elsewhere it appears not 1 Scottish Rider meets that standard. I know they are keen to have a Scottish rider on board, however even at continental level there was no suitable candidate. My Point - If we are not comfortable to put a rider on this team with our own personel involved to look after them - Why would we send them abroad? The only area where racing abroad would benefit Scottish riders (Within our Aims) is within the Womans and Juniors section. If you look at our funding we have covered both those areas fairly comprehensively over the last 3 - 5 years with varying degrees of success. We continue to do so in 2012.

The fund will continue to change where possible and where a benefit can be had - it will have to change in 2012/13 to work with riders/clubs on the new velodrome. A change for the better, another reason we don't have to send riders abroad - our own indoor velodrome.

It is difficult for the fund to express itself to all effectively, we don't have the time or skills to do this, however I can assure everyone that some of the most important things the fund do are non financial. In fact 1 rider who has reached a very high level within road cycling has refused to take financial help from the fund as he was covered by other funding sources. He has benefitted greatly from a number of non financial support methods and still supports the fund and hopefully will continue to do so.

Not trying to create an arguement - just trying to give further information where possible so that a balanced debate can take place.

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MCoopland
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Posted - 27 Jan 2012 :  10:53:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the reply Alan.

I find it useful to understand the rational behind how funds are distrbuted. It cannot be easy to know what is best to do.

After helping with the Dynamo fund for just a few years I have quickly realised how difficult it can be be effectively and actively use funds. Even modest amounts.

For any one who is interested to know, The Dynamo Falkirk fund requested support from the BH fund again this year. But we only asked for a minimal amount to help us maintain the fleet of bikes we have, much less than the BH have very kindlt donated to us in the past.

We have 15 bikes in use across several clubs. But it woiuld be difficult for us to keep many more bikes than this actively busy. Unless you know differently and we would be very happy to try and help you with a bike.

The receiptients who use the bikes are always very grateful to have had the opportunity and it seems that all the youngsters have gone on to own their own road bike and have been retained in the sport (road) which was the aim of the fund, but it is not easy to find kids who want to (or parents / clubs) use the bikes.

Please note: the BH fund are not our only finicial supporter and we are always very grateful to those individuals and clubs who have helped us with generous donations.

Martin Coopland

www.crotchguard.co.uk
Crap name - great product!

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bonniecharlie
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Posted - 27 Jan 2012 :  12:46:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi, Firstly, well done to those who have been selected for funding and it's great to see youth being brought forward also clubs promoting the same ethos. I just want to clarify the comment from scottCR2 with regards the 4 GB riders as I believe he has been mis-informed. They do get funding through GB however, it is at the bottom end of the scale and not that much, they don't get free housing as quoted, they have to pay rent each month which is deducted from their funding, also they have to fund all their food, cleaning materials, washing materials, etc and when they compete for their own clubs in competitions, they have to fund the travel, race entries, accomodation where required, etc.

I do understand where scottCR2 is coming from, but just because the young riders have moved up another step on their way to a career it doesn't mean they are now self sufficient and require no other funding to assist.
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mul
Gaining Speed

128 Posts

Posted - 30 Jan 2012 :  19:08:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would like to add thanks from WoSCA for the support from the Braveheart fund. We have 5 clubs in the West with a youth section, and more youths out there too. This donation will help us to move on from that and focus on racing during 2012.


Martin Mulholland
WoSCA youth development coordinator.



Edited by - mul on 30 Jan 2012 19:08:53
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fuente
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Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  09:59:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Alan Miller[/i]
[br]Happy for this discussion, we welcome constructive feedback, however please consider the following points.

The value's offered to the funded riders and clubs have not been disclosed. I can say that the GB funded riders have not received the level of support they previously had since they moved up a funding level within GB - Your point was considered and actioned upon. Clubs have received the biggest uplift in funding with a further �5k - �8K hopefully available later this year for further Club/Team initiatives. In effect 66% of our expected funding in 2012 will not go to the elite funded riders, rather it will go to clubs/teams with "Youth" being the driving force of the awards. I believe that much of the funding to those clubs/teams is too fund race trips abroad.

Losing contact with 4 of our most talented riders, a world champion included, at such a young age was not considered a good move. These riders are the ones who raise the profile of the fund that then helps attract sponsors and those who donate, thereby improving funding levels to other catagories.

The fund has changed over the years - it has had too! The underlying aims are the same - to help the most talented Scottish cyclists reach the highest level possible. When the fund was formed GB was not the superpower it is today in world cycling. Our early aims were to send riders abroad to improve - the traditional way. GB is now one of the, if not thee, dominant forces in world cycling, therefore it is only sensible to work with a winning system. Effectively this means a talented track or road rider doesnt need to leave these shores to move up in world cycling.

Note: There was no Continental Team from Scotland when we started 10 years ago as there is today - Endura. As discussed elsewhere it appears not 1 Scottish Rider meets that standard. I know they are keen to have a Scottish rider on board, however even at continental level there was no suitable candidate. My Point - If we are not comfortable to put a rider on this team with our own personel involved to look after them - Why would we send them abroad? The only area where racing abroad would benefit Scottish riders (Within our Aims) is within the Womans and Juniors section. If you look at our funding we have covered both those areas fairly comprehensively over the last 3 - 5 years with varying degrees of success. We continue to do so in 2012.

The fund will continue to change where possible and where a benefit can be had - it will have to change in 2012/13 to work with riders/clubs on the new velodrome. A change for the better, another reason we don't have to send riders abroad - our own indoor velodrome.

It is difficult for the fund to express itself to all effectively, we don't have the time or skills to do this, however I can assure everyone that some of the most important things the fund do are non financial. In fact 1 rider who has reached a very high level within road cycling has refused to take financial help from the fund as he was covered by other funding sources. He has benefitted greatly from a number of non financial support methods and still supports the fund and hopefully will continue to do so.

Not trying to create an arguement - just trying to give further information where possible so that a balanced debate can take place.





Alan , great work as usual...But I still believe a talented road rider has to move abroad to make it. However your right about the track ,GB is the place to be. I still think there is a place though for Braveheart to encourage riders who want to make the bridge to European road racing. In my opinion the domestic Premier calendar is still stuffed full of prima donna who are big fish in a little pond who get belted whenever they stick there nose into Europe. Supporting these youth clubs is great but I still believe support is needed to send the guys/girls who really want to make it big time in Road Racing to Europe.
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scottCR2
Learner

5 Posts

Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  19:36:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Alan, the response you gave was sound, yes, why neglect the best. But it also comes across as the braveheart fund looking out for itself as "braveheart fund the brand". It sometimes looks like riders are sponsored for the braveheart fund to look good, rather than braveheart funding riders for the riders to progress and become good. This seems like it's happening more often.

GB do an amazing job. However, the best young talent in the sport still need to/should go abroad. whether they are on the GB academy or not.

Not sure why Endura was mentioned. They are a UCI-Continental team that have a budget and team line up of a Pro-Continental team. Don't mean to bang on about him because Ned Kelly does it enough, but, If you look up results, I'm pretty sure that Evan Oliphant proved himself to be more than good enough for the team. Possibly the team manager just didn't want him? too old at 29?

Bonnie Charlie, I know they get paid very little, have to make their dinner, and buy their food. But then again, so do most people. If your referring to the funded mountain bikers, Kenta raced CX, the NPS's and nationals for Scott-UK, but spent most of the year in GB colours going round the world to ride WC's, euro's etc. The sprinters clubs pay for them when doing the british sprint rounds for their club teams, which they do not do many of. For the riders who aren't on the GB set-up, who don't get exposed to the world class racing programme, they have to pay their own way to provide themselves with a racing season (be it abroad or all over the UK) which will help them progress as riders and gain as much experience and results as they can, off their own back. This also comes back to the first paragraph; those riders not on the GB set-up have a high risk of not "making it", so braveheart don't fund them as it would make the fund look bad.

Not trying to start an argument either.
I know there is a lot of talk on this opinion at the moment, just not here on the forum. so, What do people think ?


Also Alan, your mentioned rider who refused financil support appears to be doing fine . very pleased for him.
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Alan Miller
Administrator

507 Posts

Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  22:25:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[/quote]

Alan , great work as usual...But I still believe a talented road rider has to move abroad to make it. However your right about the track ,GB is the place to be. I still think there is a place though for Braveheart to encourage riders who want to make the bridge to European road racing. In my opinion the domestic Premier calendar is still stuffed full of prima donna who are big fish in a little pond who get belted whenever they stick there nose into Europe. Supporting these youth clubs is great but I still believe support is needed to send the guys/girls who really want to make it big time in Road Racing to Europe.
[/quote]

Hi Callum - Agree about road riders going abroad rather than to Premier Calendar. Personally I wish we had(Cue debate as to whether we do or dont have a rider good enough)a rider on the Endura squad as it would be an ideal stepping stone. Possibly 1 level to high but none the less the best route to europe.

I might be overly optimistic, however I hope that the new velodrome will provide the platform for an Scottish endurance rider too develop the necessary "horsepower" to compete at the right level in europe. The examples of GB is too many to mention.

Another problem we currently have is that any rider who meets the standard that we all desire is likely to be picked up by GB, certainly in the 16 - 19 age bracket. If they progress they move swiftly up the ladder - restricted room for braveheart to operate. If they miss out at 19 then Braveheart, if the rider good enough, can step in and use contacts to secure team places - not every GB rider can sign for SKY.

If the riders are not good enough for GB at age 16 - 22 then we have to decide if they will make it or not - almost impossible to decide. We have since decided that the difference between many 16 - 20 year old riders(Outwith Team GB)is so narrow that funding team trips is the best way to offer these riders the experience of riding abroad and progressing. We were faced with applications from riders within the same catagory with similar age whose best results were only 1 or 2 places different to the other 2 applicants. Offering all three support in a team trip seemed the most logical way to support them.

Riders aged 19 - 22 if not picked up by Team GB have a wealth of teams in the UK with which they could get support, perhaps not your preferred route Callum but still an opportunity not afforded to many in previous years. These guys if they have the desire could easily go over to Belgium to test themselves in higher ranked races when not competing in the UK.

One question I would like answered or opinions on is what is deemed success for a Scottish Road Rider? Is it;

Being Good Enough for CG?
Getting a Pro Tour Contract
Getting a Pro - Conti Contract?
Getting a Conti Contract?
Or Something Else?

Depending on what the answer is will determine the age bracket that we have to work within. A rider whose name has been mentioned was offered to Pro-Conti/Pro Tour teams aged 23. They said he was OK but they had amazing 19/20 year old riders and a huge pool of riders similar to the rider we proposed.

We only need to look at who is winning in majorca this week, his age, his background and we see the requirements and standard that all Scottish riders need to aspire to. Difficult to say to much but he fell into one of the above catagories...

Please feel free to voice your opinion - it is your fund not mine. I'll pass all comments to Brian...


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Alan Miller
Administrator

507 Posts

Posted - 06 Feb 2012 :  22:54:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by scottCR2[/i]
[br]

Alan, the response you gave was sound, yes, why neglect the best. But it also comes across as the braveheart fund looking out for itself as "braveheart fund the brand". It sometimes looks like riders are sponsored for the braveheart fund to look good, rather than braveheart funding riders for the riders to progress and become good. This seems like it's happening more often.

GB do an amazing job. However, the best young talent in the sport still need to/should go abroad. whether they are on the GB academy or not.

Not sure why Endura was mentioned. They are a UCI-Continental team that have a budget and team line up of a Pro-Continental team. Don't mean to bang on about him because Ned Kelly does it enough, but, If you look up results, I'm pretty sure that Evan Oliphant proved himself to be more than good enough for the team. Possibly the team manager just didn't want him? too old at 29?

Bonnie Charlie, I know they get paid very little, have to make their dinner, and buy their food. But then again, so do most people. If your referring to the funded mountain bikers, Kenta raced CX, the NPS's and nationals for Scott-UK, but spent most of the year in GB colours going round the world to ride WC's, euro's etc. The sprinters clubs pay for them when doing the british sprint rounds for their club teams, which they do not do many of. For the riders who aren't on the GB set-up, who don't get exposed to the world class racing programme, they have to pay their own way to provide themselves with a racing season (be it abroad or all over the UK) which will help them progress as riders and gain as much experience and results as they can, off their own back. This also comes back to the first paragraph; those riders not on the GB set-up have a high risk of not "making it", so braveheart don't fund them as it would make the fund look bad.

Not trying to start an argument either.
I know there is a lot of talk on this opinion at the moment, just not here on the forum. so, What do people think ?


Also Alan, your mentioned rider who refused financil support appears to be doing fine . very pleased for him.



Hi

As I mentioned not all the GB riders receive financial help, some get help getting onto teams via our contacts. It never fails to amaze me the deals that go on in Kilmarnock at the dinner!! Its not always what you know but who you know!!

With regards supporting riders to benefit the "braveheart brand" I understand your point, however in our defence, many if not all, of the GB riders have been supported for multiple years. Although it would be wrong to claim their successes as wholly ours we do have a reasonable claim to say we helped and documenting that is not wrong. If it helps the fund then surely that has too be good for all funded riders and clubs.

I don't agree with your comment that it appears to be happening more and more.. This year over 66% of our funding is going to youth clubs whose primary aim is to take young cyclists to international events or race trips abroad. Funded riders this year include 4 people who didn't make GB teams, who will race abroad, who are all CG potential riders and receive little if no other financial support.

I don't want to say too much about Evan and Endura that is for others, however I do agree with Brian Smith's comments that riding for Raleigh will open the door for Evan to race as a team leader and not a helper and hopefully will enable him to get the results we all know he can and has done in the past. Cycling is a results business and Evan and others need the results to gain qualification for CG 2014. With Raleigh it might enhance his chances.

I mentioned in my reply to fuente that we need to decide what is success for a scottish road/endurance rider male or female. If success is deemed to be CG or something else then we can look at supporting riders who will fit that criteria. At present idea is to help riders get to the highest level. That means reaching Team Gb standard or getting onto a Conti/Pro Conti team or higher - for Road Endurance riders.

My opinions and happy to listen to others...
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LiamCowie
Learner

12 Posts

Posted - 08 Feb 2012 :  20:41:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well done to all on the fund !

I completely disagree that any young road rider can develop to the standard of Endura in Scotland or the UK. The most you can race is once a week... if you like to travel hundreds of miles and with that there are only so many races at a good level (the premiers). I stayed in the UK almost all summer last season and it was wasted (I developed more in 3 weeks in Belgium- in October than in the whole season waiting for premiers). In Belgium the amatuer kermesse racing is as high a level as the premiers and you can race everyday (if your legs were up to it)(the juniors are limited to 3 races per week). Further, you can ride to the races. If you want young guys to get quick on the road- get them over.
thanks Liam Cowie
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fuente
Speed Limits N/A

1074 Posts

Posted - 09 Feb 2012 :  09:04:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think David Harmon summed it up when he described the Braveheart Fund in an interview

"There are a lot of cyclists who are on the edges of moving into really good national programmes and there is only a finite amount of resources within national funds, and things like the Braveheart fund make it possible for those guys to move on, and then get picked up later"

in my opinion the world champions and GB funded riders in Scotland have "made it" to the next step and should therefore move on to the next funding stream.

This Braveheart funding stream in my opinion has been well supported by many people because it "filled the sandwich" between club/parent and national body funding.

In my opinion that should still be the vision

there will once again be a house full of young Scottish riders in Oudenaarde Belgium this season trying to make it on the roadscene , all are funding there racing themselves with part time work in the winter tolerant parents etc etc
These guys and girls are arriving full of apprehension but with bags of blood and guts. Wallace would be proud as they arrive on foreign battlefields with nothing but there scottish pride. Just like Miller ,Roche, Anderson, Kelly, Jones, Sherwen, Yates ,Fenn, Brammier, Cavendish .Wegelis, Stannard, Hunt, Hammond before them they will live the dream and you just never know.....

Lets help them on the way up.. its what this was all about

Callum Gough
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BrianS
Administrator

1235 Posts

Posted - 09 Feb 2012 :  10:55:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i rode the Commonwealth Games and won an International Race when i was 18 from Scottish and UK race program....

We recognise that there were 8-10 good applications for funding but how do you differentiate from them without knowing them. If i don't know them then they have done nothing special to catch my eye. I look at many results as part of my work with Endura Racing.

My view is go to Belgium, France etc and show us what you can do. I worked in a bank during the winter and trained in the evening to fund my own trips. We have some funding kept aside to look at riders racing in Europe and are still awaiting plans from SC performance.

I more than most want to see Scottish riders succeed. With my contacts i have helped many including our new star Andy Fenn. We have now decided to look at more youth clubs as there seems to be very few riders coming through. What we will not do is fund everyone that wants to race in Europe. Show us what you can do first and keep in touch with me direct. If you have got it then i will help you 100%!


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LiamCowie
Learner

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Posted - 09 Feb 2012 :  13:45:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Completely understood, im not saying that everyone who goes abroad should get funding, there certainly needs to be a few results to prove what a rider can do. Im really just complaining about the lack racing here ;)... as usual !
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Graham McG
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Posted - 09 Feb 2012 :  23:24:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fair point Liam about the amount of racing available in Scotland. When Brian was 18 you could race 5 times a week, races were cheaper to enter and petrol wasn't the price it was now (even allowing for inflation).
Now, as you point out, races are thinner on the ground; possibly because the average age of a RRer is somewhat higher than when Brian was a lad, and older guys just don't have the time to race 5x a week - explains why mid week events get smaller fields and eventually get lost from the calendar.
Need to get yourself over to the land of Leffe
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LiamCowie
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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  09:32:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fair point, it's hard just to race just once a week here and as far as money goes it's cheaper to go to Belgium than to fund two races in England.

I will be over to Leffe land, sorting oot the kermesse kings ;)
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BrianS
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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  21:14:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Liam...i'm watching you....


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Service Des Course
Gaining Speed

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Posted - 10 Feb 2012 :  22:37:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I agree with the folk who say that you need to get "over there" - It will help you grow up a lot quicker and make a man or woman of you

Long gone are the days of getting dropped off all alone in some paris suburb and no knowledge of the lingo. English is prob the favoured language nowadays just listen to Boonen & Gilbert they speak better english than some folk from here.

It's great to see Andy Fenn doing well and hitting the ground running - maybe it wont be long till we see the saltire flying in the roubaix velodrome soon.
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doc
Speed Merchant

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Posted - 15 Feb 2012 :  13:47:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just managed to pick up Jon TL's post race interview on on the local TV channel after he won the final stage and overall at the Tour of the Med. Done in (relatively fluent) French for French TV. Impressive and the message is go to Belgium/France for the race experience and if you can pick up a bit of the lingo then you will enjoy your time better and get more out of it. Ridnig the bike is only one bit of the preperation package. Need to pack my dictionary for this weekend's TWC.
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fuente
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Posted - 20 Feb 2012 :  17:32:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by doc[/i]
[br]Just managed to pick up Jon TL's post race interview on on the local TV channel after he won the final stage and overall at the Tour of the Med. Done in (relatively fluent) French for French TV. Impressive and the message is go to Belgium/France for the race experience and if you can pick up a bit of the lingo then you will enjoy your time better and get more out of it. Ridnig the bike is only one bit of the preperation package. Need to pack my dictionary for this weekend's TWC.




Bang on Doc... We have the riders in Scotland..they just need the opportunity and a little help . Trouble is many hang about wasting there time and then its too late. For many reasons, money, college, work or overburdoning parents they dont make the move..... You can ride the home races later in life ... Elliot is 52 for christ sake!! Anyway im sounding like a scratched record now... over and out


Callum Gough
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Ivan
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Posted - 20 Feb 2012 :  19:11:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
[i]Originally posted by fuente[/i]
[br]
quote:
[i]Originally posted by doc[/i]
[br]Just managed to pick up Jon TL's post race interview on on the local TV channel after he won the final stage and overall at the Tour of the Med. Done in (relatively fluent) French for French TV. Impressive and the message is go to Belgium/France for the race experience and if you can pick up a bit of the lingo then you will enjoy your time better and get more out of it. Ridnig the bike is only one bit of the preperation package. Need to pack my dictionary for this weekend's TWC.






Bang on Doc... We have the riders in Scotland..they just need the opportunity and a little help . Trouble is many hang about wasting there time and then its too late. For many reasons, money, college, work or overburdoning parents they dont make the move..... You can ride the home races later in life ... Elliot is 52 for christ sake!! Anyway im sounding like a scratched record now... over and out


Callum Gough



Agree as well , it beats me why any young , ambitious rider would want to ride in Scotland or anywhere else in the UK without ever giving Belgium or France a go ?
How difficult is it to get some money saved ?
Working during the winter , parents , grand parents are all sources of money , thousands have done exactly that , and travelled huge distances eg Kiwis , Aussies , to get to Belgium or France.
It's never been easier to get to BE or FR , flights are cheap , accomodation is cheap , food is cheap , droves of people willing to help , almost everyone is happy to speak English.
There is NO excuse for not trying , and getting across there.
A good plan is go across one year for , say , 4 weeks in the high summer ie August , fields aren't so big , weather okay , and see how you get on , race maybe 2 or 3 times a week , make it enjoyable , no pressure etc etc.
For God's sake , don't go with any ideas in your head about turning pro , just test the water , see how it pans out.
If you get on okay , plan for next year , go for longer , use contacts made in the previous year.
It's not hard to do , even if you never get that pro contract ( this will be virtually everyone who goes ) , so what ? It's an experience you'll never forget , and you can always come back here and plod round till you get old and fat.
God only knows why anyone would want to be a full time bike rider here , to ride one RR every 3 to 4 weeks ? It's insane.
Go to BE or FR , you might get hammered , but you'll experience cyclesport as it's meant to be , and even if you never go back for that second year it will have been worth it.

I know so many guys who didn't give it a go , and they all , to a man , regret not having gone.






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Posted - 20 Feb 2012 :  20:21:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
oui,j'agree avec vous.je went o belge as un petit hopeful.je got hammered maintenant et again,mais l'experience was invaluable.pour moi les languages barriers sont le plus difficule aspect de racing abrue...je would ne pas be le personne je suis aujourdhui sans les kermesses et l'internet ....frencoismcginty
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